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Romeo is most to blame for his and Juliet's deaths because he commits suicide after killing Paris when he thinks Juliet is dead. While it might seem that he should be tremendously distraught after winning a fatal duel and seeing his wife dead in a coffin, there is no reason for him to impulsively kill himself by drinking poison. In a great fit of frustration and despair, Romeo cries, "Here's to my love," and drinks the poison (Act 5, Scene 3, Page 119). This was a rash thing to do because, being so young, he likely would have a long life ahead of him had he fled the graveyard instead. As a result of Romeo's suicide, Juliet awakens to find Romeo dead, so she kills herself with a knife. Had Romeo not committed suicide, she may instead have gone with Friar Lawrence to his cell where he could have planned for her to travel to meet Romeo at a later time.
ReplyDeleteIf Romeo already believed Juliet was dead, and he didn't want to live without her, don't you think he had a fair reason to drink the poison, and that the Frair is really at fault because he is the one who never even told Romeo about the plan?
DeleteI agree that it was the Friar Lawrence's responsibility to convey the message to Romeo, but it doesn't seem like he could have completed that mission at all since Friar John, who he sent out to give the message to Romeo, said that "the searchers of the town...sealed up the doors and would not let us forth" (5.2, 7-11). He meant they had sealed off access to the village because of sickness, so it was fortune's fault the message wasn't delivered.
DeleteI disagree that Romeo is to blame for both Romeo and Juliet's deaths. Since it wasn't his fault he didn't know Juliet was just pretending to be dead. I believe that the real person to blame is Capulet since he pushed Juliet to marry Paris that lead to the planning of faking her death and Romeo killing himself and then Juliet doing the same thing.
DeleteWhen you write that if Romeo had not have committed suicide, Juliet would have still been alive, it also makes me think that if Juliet had not drunken the potion in the first place and instead figured out another way around the marriage Romeo, Paris, and Juliet would not have died.
DeleteI agree with you that Romeo is at fault for his and Juliet's deaths, but all of Romeo's actions throughout the book have shown to be impulsive, so maybe he had no control over the fact that he was killing himself because of his overwhelming love for Juliet. Good job!
DeleteI agree with you that it may be Romeos fault but it also can be blamed on Juliet then because she is the one that is trying to fake her own death. That may be a bit confusing for the people that love her and Romeo thinks that she is the only one for him.
DeleteI agree that Juliet could have told her parents that she was married to Romeo earlier so that she did not have to fake her death to avoid marriage to Paris. After all, how could they marry her to Paris if she proved she was already married.
DeleteMany characters could be blamed for Romeo’s and Juliet's death, but the character who is most at fault is the Nurse. Once Reome leaves Juliet’s bedroom, after spending the night with her, Juliet’s mother, Lady Capulet, comes into Juliet's room with news of a prospective husband. County Paris has asked Lady Capulet for Juliet’s hand and marriage, and Lady Capulet thinks it is an exceptional opportunity for Juliet. Juliet, who is madly in love with Romeo, turns to the Nurse for advice. This is when the Nurse turns her back on Juliet and agrees with Lady Capulet, “I think it best you married with the County” (3.5. 230). The Nurse changes her feelings when Juliet needs her most, leaving Juliet alone to make life-changing decisions. Now Juliet has no one to look to for advice so she makes irrational decisions that will ultimately turn out bad. When the Nurse falls to Lady Capulet’s expectations for Juliet, Juliet feels betrayed and lost because the Nurse was her best friend, and now she has no one. Compared to the other characters who take minor actions against Romeo and Juliet, the Nurse is responsible for their deaths.
ReplyDeleteI never really thought of the Nurse as being to blame for the lovers' deaths. However you have made me see their deaths from this new perspective. Your point of the nurse betraying Juliet when she was supposed to be her best friend was very strong. A lot of times as teens, I think our friends' opinions have just as much impact, if not sometimes mores, as our parents'. Good job!
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DeleteYou're saying that when the Nurse leaves Juliet to make life-changing decisions alone, Juliet's death is her fault. However, have you thought of the people who helped her make those decisions? (Friar Lawrence) Are they also responsible?
DeleteI did not think of the nurse as a candidate for the reason why Romeo and Juliet died. But, being the closest person to Juliet, she did change her mind which left Juliet wondering what she should do. If the nurse had not turned her back on Juliet, she probably would have made a better decision.
DeleteJacqueline, when we were given the prompt the idea of the nurse being the person to blame for their deaths never even crossed my mind. You were able to she show her Juliet looks to the nurse as another mother, valuing her opinion very much. However when you say Juliet has no one to look to for advice, doesn't she go to Friar Lawrence for advice afterwards?
DeleteAnastasia, yes other characters are partially responsible for the deaths of Romeo and Juliet. But if the Nurse had stayed and helped Juliet, Juliet would have had a friend to turn to for advice and now she has no one, so she makes rash decisions.
DeleteRiley, the only reason Juliet visits to the Frair is because she is lost and confused. She goes to the Frair in a unstable state of being that causes her to lose her cautious thinking and go along with any crazy plan that the Frair devises.
DeleteThat is really interesting that you thought the nurse was the one to blame, I never thought about that before. After reading you post, it suddenly made sense because Juliet always asked her for her advice and she always suggested to respect her family and marry Paris. However, have you thought that maybe the nurse had gotten her words of advice from other people before sharing them with Juliet?
DeleteJacqueline, I really liked when you said that the Nurse is the most to blame for Juliet's death because she turned her back on Juliet and betrayed her. I agree that the Nurse was her only friend and the only one who listened, but she still left her and started agreeing with Lady Capulet. I didn't think about Juliet's death this way before. Good job.
DeleteIsabella, in every moment the Nurse gives Juliet advice, the timing works out so the Nurse does not have time to converse with others. If the Nurse had had time, who do you think she would have asked for advice?
DeleteFriar Lawrence is to blame for the deaths of Romeo and Juliet. When Juliet visits Friar Lawrence after Tybalt’s death and Romeo’s exile, she is heartbroken. She even mentions how she would rather die than marry County Paris, the man who she is being pressured to quickly marry by her parents. However, among all her grief, the Friar proposes a plan, “Take thou this vial, being in bed, And this distilling liquor drink thou off; When presently through all thy veins shall run a cold and drowsy humor” (4.1.95-98). Friar Lawrence plans to give Juliet a poison that will put her in a deep sleep causing her to appear dead for a day. He also incorporates Romeo in his plan, saying that himself and Romeo will go rescue Juliet from an ancient vault for the passed Capulets. However, does the Friar ever tell Romeo about this plan? No. Romeo is unaware of the situation and therefore thinks Juliet is truly dead when she is merely in a deep sleep. Had the Friar told Romeo, he and Juliet would likely have been able to lead happy, loving lives together. Other readers might feel that the Lord or Lady Capulet was to blame for their deaths. However, they only caused anger and sadness for Romeo and Juliet, but not necessarily their deaths. Although Friar Lawrence was only trying to be helpful to Romeo and Juliet, the mistake in his plan was what claimed their lives.
ReplyDeleteCharlize, I agree with your claim completely. The Frair's secretive vendetta was the cause for Romeo's and Juliet's death. If the Frair had followed through with his plan, then Romeo and Juliet would've lived a happy life together. Instead, the Frair's lack of follow-through caused two deaths.
DeleteI agree with your answer. If the Friar had told Romeo about the plan, he would not have taken poison to kill himself. The Friar could have prevented both deaths by simply communicating with Romeo. Good job.
DeleteAfter reading your reply, you've convinced me that Friar Lawrence is at fault. Perhaps if he had carried out his plan the way it was supposed to go, Romeo and Juliet would have lived happily ever after. Friar Lawrence should have thought his plan through more thoroughly, because Romeo was misinformed about Juliet's death and committed suicide.
DeleteAt first glance to your post, I thought that there was no way Friar Lawrence could be to blame, thinking of all the helpful stuff he tried to do for Romeo and Juliet's love. After reading through it, you have convinced me that the Friar is definitely a candidate to be most blamed for Romeo and Juliet's deaths. Maybe the Friar's plan was too 'advanced' for his own good, and he was not able to fully carry it out, as he had originally promised Juliet. Good job!
DeleteI really agree with how Friar Lawrence is at fault. Maybe if he had told Romeo about the plan, would they Romeo and Juliet been able to live happily together? Anyway, your reply really convinced me that although Lord and Lady Capulet may have been the more obvious causes to blame, they only caused anger but really the Friar was behind everything going on.
DeleteI agree that Friar Lawrence is to blame for the deaths of Romeo and Juliet. But in an alternative scene, If the Friar had never had the task to deliver the letter, who's fault would it be then? I think your post does have deeper meaning within the person you chose.
DeleteLord Capulet is the most to blame for the deaths of Romeo and Juliet. He put too much pressure on Juliet to marry Paris, when it was really Romeo whom she loved. When she attempted to talk him out of it, he threatened to put her out on the streets: “I tell thee what: get thee to church o’ Thursday,/ Or never after look me in the face” (3.5.167-168). If Lord Capulet had not been so unsympathetic and set on Juliet marrying Paris, he would not have pushed Juliet to her limit. She was thirteen, and in love with another, not ready for a new life with an older man that she did not know. She was trapped in a marriage that she did not want, and felt as though her only way out was suicide. Friar Lawrence convinced her out of such an action and helped her devise a plan to elope with Romeo, but it failed, resulting in their deaths.
ReplyDeleteYour argument is very strong. However, wouldn't the Friar and his failing plan be to blame then, rather than Lord Capulet? Had Juliet gone along with her fathers wishes, she would have been very unhappy but not ultimately dead.
DeleteI agree with you that Capulet is the person to blame since as you said put too much pressure on Juliet causing her to almost kill herself. Later in the story she would kill herself for real this ti,e since she saw Romeo dead and couldn't take it no longer.
DeleteI agree with Charlize, because Friar Lawrence's plan failed and caused their deaths. If it hadn't, Romeo and Juliet would have been very much alive. Lord Capulet may have put too much pressure on Juliet, but there was still a chance of her living, despite her father.
DeleteI agree with Charlize because The Friar Lawrence's plan falied cause Juliet and Romeos death. Even though her father put to much pressure she still would be alive.
DeleteCharlize, I think that Juliet was too in love with Romeo for there ever to be a chance of her marrying Paris. It simply would never happen. For her, the thought of marrying Paris was worse than death. When she came to Friar Lawrence, she was ready to commit suicide; "I long to die/ If what thou speak'st speak not of remedy" (4.1.67-68). If Friar Lawrence had not created a plan to reunite her with Romeo, she would have taken her life, without looking at Romeo for the last time.
DeleteAnastasia, I agree with you that Lord Capulet is the one to blame. Juliet was way to young to marry and Capulet was very angry that Juliet wasn't being obedient like she should be. Nice job!
DeleteAnastasia, I really like your answer. I agree that it is Lord Capulet's fault for both Romeo and Juliet's death. He is the one who pushed Juliet to her limit. You have a good point that the only way, in Juliet's mind, was to kill herself. Good thinking!
DeleteLady and Lord Capulet are most to blame for the deaths of Juliet and Romeo. Lady and Lord Capulet have controlled everything about Juliet's life. As she has reached the right age to marry, Lady and Lord Capulet force Juliet to marry Count Paris. Lord Capulet explains to Paris that he and Juliet will be a couple by saying, "Sir Paris, I will make a desperate tender of my child's love: I think she will be ruled in all respects by me; nay, more, I doubt it not. Wife, go you to her ere you go to bed; acquaint her here of my son Paris' love"(3.4.12-18). Lord Capulet arranges their marriage when he proclaims,"O' Thursday, tell her, she shall be married to this noble earl"(3.4.21-22). By forcing Juliet to marry Count Paris, Lady and Lord Capulet accelerate Romeo and Juliet's relationship. Romeo and Juliet know they must do something drastic or dangerous to escape their fate. Lady and Lord Capulet's forced marriage forces Juliet and Romeo to try and fake their own deaths, which ultimately leads to both of their tragic deaths.
ReplyDeleteI agree that it was quite overbearing of Lady and Lord Capulet to arrange marriage for Juliet, but that was the tradition at the time. I'm not sure that they were aware that Juliet was in love with Romeo, as they thought she was crying for Tybalt's death, not Romeo's banishment. Perhaps it was the Nurse's fault because she didn't tell them how much Juliet was in love with Romeo.
DeleteI agree that the rushed marriage of Paris and Juliet caused Romeo and Juliet to somewhat panic. Juliet and the Friar came up with a dangerous plan, with a slim chance of working. If Lady and Lord Capulet had not rushed the marriage of Paris and Juliet, their deaths would not have happened.
DeleteJuliet did tell Lady Capulet that she wished to marry Romeo, not Count Paris.
DeleteI agree that Lady Capulet and Capulet are to blame for both Romeo and Juliet's deaths, but I also believe that it is mostly Capulet's fault since he was the person to agree for Juliet to marry Paris. Since it was his decision he should be the only one to blame.
DeletePrompt: Who is most to blame for deaths of Romeo and Juliet?
ReplyDeleteThe person to blame for both Romeo and Juliet’s deaths is Capulet. When we first meet Capulet we knew that he didn’t like the Montagues meaning he would despise Romeo since he was part of the Montague family. He wanted his daughter Juliet to marry Paris a man that was never part of Juliet’s life until Capulet wanted them both to marry. As things went along Juliet fell in love with Romeo but they knew that they would never be together since Capulet disliked him. As a result of this Juliet formulates a plan that in hopes would bring both Romeo and her together once and for all, but results in the death of both of them. When Capulet is arguing with Juliet he responds with “Thank me no thankings, nor proud me me no prouds,/ But fettle your fine joints ‘gaints Thursday next/ To go with Paris to Saint Peter’s Church,/ Or I will drag thee on a hurdle thither,”(Act 3, Scene 5, Lines 157-159). When Capulet is saying this he is demanding that he has absolute power over her and that she can not question anything he says or he will punish them. As I said before Juliet saw this coming so she had to make a plan to bypass Capulets anger for the Capulets so she could be with Romeo but it resulted in both of their deaths. It was neither the poison’s fault or the delivery man who came late to deliver the message to Romeo, but Capulet who didn’t want them both to stay together.
Lady and Lord Capulet are to blame for the deaths of Romeo and Juliet. Before Lord Capulet's party, Lady Capulet decides to talk to Juliet about marriage. Lady Capulet tells Juliet that "the valiant Paris" seeks her love. Juliet says that she does not believe she is ready for marriage. Later, Juliet falls in love with Romeo, and does not show much interest in Paris. Her parents continue to make arrangements with Paris. Lady Capulet tells Juliet, "Marry, my child, early next Thursday morn/The gallant, young, and noble gentleman,/ The County Paris, at Saint Peter's Church/Shall happily make thee there a joyful bride," (3.5.117-120). Lady and Lord Capulet ignore their daughter's love, and decide to marry her off to Paris instead of Romeo because of their family feud. Juliet's marriage to Paris is what leads them to both committing suicide. Lady and Lord Capulet could have prevented it if they did not force their daughter into marrying someone she did not love. If Lady and Lord Capulet had let Juliet have the choice of who she wanted to marry, neither Romeo nor Juliet would have died.
ReplyDeleteJack your comment has insightful reasoning explaining why Lord and Lady Capulet are to blame for Romeo's and Juliet's death. I also think that if they had given their daughter more time to think about the idea of marriage, before they threw County Paris on her, Juliet would have made more mature decisions concerning her future life.
DeleteI agree with you since none else but you should be able to marry the person you want. As Jacqueline said she needs to mature and make her own decisions not the parents nor the friends but her.
DeleteJack, when you say that the Capulet's do not marry Juliet to Romeo because of their family feud, wouldn't that be only half of the Capulet's fault, and the other half the Montagues? Otherwise, your argument was very convincing and I like your quote selection because it almost directly says what you are arguing. Good job!
DeleteLord Capulet is to blame for the deaths of Romeo and Juliet. Juliet’s mother, Lady Capulet has just told Juliet that her father has allowed Paris to have her hand in marriage and she is going to marry Paris on Thursday. Thinking Juliet will react happily to this news, Lord Capulet is shocked when Juliet tells him she will not marry Paris, clearly disobeying his orders. Lord Capulet is enraged with anger from Juliet’s reaction and proceeds to tell her, “Hang thee, young baggage, disobedient wretch! / I tell thee what: get thee to church o’ Thursday, / Or never after look me in the face” (3.5 166-168). In this quote when Lord Capulet calls Juliet a “disobedient wretch” he is calling Juliet a child who is ungrateful to him, that she is not how a daughter should act toward their parents. He tells her to “hang thee, young baggage”, meaning forget about all your problems and desires because she is going to marry Paris on Thursday no matter what how she feels about it. This quote depicts how Lord Capulet is backing Juliet into a corner, forcing her to marry Paris or else she will be will be looked down upon in his fathers eyes. Juliet loves her father and wants to do as he wishes, but she cannot marry Paris when her heart is with Romeo. By Juliet trying to stand up to her father and her father not giving her a choice in the matter, he is driving Juliet away, causing her to take drastic actions to not marry Paris.
ReplyDeleteWhat if Lord Capulet gets angry because he thinks Juliet is saying she won't marry Paris as an act of disobedience? If Capulet understood that Juliet was deeply in love with Romeo, would he have responded differently? After all, once Lord Capulet sees the dead bodies of Romeo and Julet, he refers to them sympathetically as, "Romeo by his lady's lie" (243)
DeleteMarcus, you made very good points and I think that by Juliet saying she will not marry Paris, it is not an act of disobedience to her as much as it is to her father. If Lord Capulet did know about Romeo and Juliet's love I think he would have responded differently because he also may have seen it as a way out of their feud between the Montague's and the Capulet's.
DeleteI agree with your response. I like the quote you used and that you said it was Lord Capulet to blame. He was a harsh character and was unreasonable to Juliet. I like your thinking. Good job!
DeleteFate alone is to blame for the untimely deaths of Romeo and Juliet. The full title of this play is The Tragedy of Romeo and Juliet. According to the Oxford dictionary, a tragedy is “A play dealing with tragic events and having an unhappy ending, especially one concerning the downfall of the main character.” This would imply that there is something wrong with Romeo and Juliet, but the only downfall they seem to have is bad luck. Shakespeare rather blatantly refers to this in the prologue, referring to the couple as, “a pair of star-crossed [unlucky] lovers” (7). Obviously neither Romeo or Juliet are to blame for being born into rival families. Even their falling in love for each other can’t really be faulted to them-its very hard to stop loving someone, as I’m sure many of you who have ever had a breakup will know. It is not Juliet’s fault that she is being forced to marry Paris, and Romeo was forced into the fight which resulted in Tybalt’s death. This bad luck escalated throughout the book right until the very end, when Friar Laurence is to unable inform Romeo that Juliet is not actually dead - a misunderstanding that results in the death of the two star-crossed lovers.
ReplyDeleteDo you feel that fate is a bit of an unstable factor as blame? Do you not believe that people can change their fate?
DeleteFriar Lawrence is to blame for their deaths. It is true that fate has made them come together, but saying fate alone has caused their death is unreasonable. One can say that fate is to blame for everything. Based on your last few sentences, it is more reasonable to say that Friar Lawrence is to blame because he did not inform Romeo of the plan.
DeleteI never really thought of the deaths of Romeo and Juliet being not a persons fault as much a something like fate. Your response made me think a little deeper about the play. Do you think someone could change their fate, that one person could have changed the outcome of Romeo and Juliet's death?
DeleteThis is a really interesting argument that I have not thought of. It brings a new perspective to the story: bad luck caused the downfall of Romeo and Juliet. However, do you believe that the characters themselves had any control over the events that passed?
DeleteI love that you took your claim to a whole other level. I never even thought of it that way. Although your claim states that there is no one to blame, which i like, and is absolutely true, do you believe that luck is the key factor in this tragedy to a full extent?
DeleteRomeo and Juliet themselves are responsible for their deaths, thanks to their infatuating “love”. There were many factors that lead to their deaths, such as the feud between their parents, the fact that Paris wants to marry Juliet, and Balthazar mistakenly informing Romeo of his love's 48 hour death, yet their love was the deal-breaker. When Romeo comes to Juliet’s balcony in the midst of the night, they begin to confess their love. Juliet tells Romeo that she is anxious her family might hear Romeo, but in return he says, “My life were better ended by their hate/ Than death prorogued, wanting of thy love” (2.2.82-83). He is saying he would rather die with Juliet’s love than live without it, which is foreshadowing their sudden demise. If Romeo hadn’t been blinded by the powerful emotion we know as love, his decisions would have been much more rational. Would he have killed himself had he been in his right mind? Probably not, and neither would have Juliet. They were possessed by their infatuation, which directed them to what seemed like the only solution- death. If it hadn’t been for their impulsive decisions due to the influence of what they believed to be love, perhaps nearly everyone who plays a role in their lives would have still been alive.
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DeleteI really like how you used evidence from earlier in the book to, in a way, foreshadow Romeo and Juliet's deaths. Also, I like how you explain love like it is a "powerful emotion" that can blind people from making rational decisions. Good job!
DeleteI think your strongest part of your argument was towards the end of your response when you described Romeo and Juliets' deaths being irrational and out of infatuation. Well done because that was very convincing!
DeleteI really enjoyed the perspective you took on the deaths of Romeo and Juliet because I never thought to think it could be their own faults. Do you think that one person pushed them over the edge to take their drastic actions, or do you think it was purely their own faults? I say this because I know Romeo is influenced by Mercutio and Balthazar, and Juliet is influenced by the nurse and her parents.
DeleteRomeo and his impulsive actions are most to blame for the deaths of Juliet and himself.
ReplyDeleteAfter Romeo murders Tybalt, avenging the previous death of Mercutio, he flees to Friar Lawrence’s house. He weeps and begs for pity and advice from the Friar on how he should deal with his situation. When the Friar receives a letter from the Prince stating that Romeo is banished from Verona, Romeo falls to the floor and starts pleading to the Friar for help. In response to the Friar’s attempts to comfort Romeo, Romeo says, “Thou canst not speak of that thou dost not feel./ Wert thou as young as I, Juliet thy love,/ An hour but married, Tybalt murdered,/ Doting like me, and like me banished,/ Then mightst thou speak, then mightst thou tear thy hair,” (3.3.67-72). Romeo realizes his stupidity in retaliating against and killing Tybalt. Romeo is trying to explain to Friar Lawrence how much guilt he has in himself for causing himself to be banished, thus ruining his and Juliet’s relationship. He is so ashamed of his violent actions earlier that day that he speaks of them as if he had no control over them. He says “Tybalt murdered” like it is someone else who committed the crime, instead of owning up to it himself. Romeo cannot accept that he has taken such cruel actions, and instead cries and asks for pity from others about how he will never see his true love ever again… “Juliet thy love,/An hour but married.” If Romeo had not murdered Tybalt, his relationship with Juliet would have continued in Verona, them being happily married, but this is not the only time Romeo’s impulses have caused trouble to him and Juliet. When hearing of Juliet’s death, he immediately purchases a poison to kill himself, without conversing with the Friar to see if the news is valid. He then drinks to poison next to Juliet’s “death bed.” Juliet, waking up to find her lover dead next to her, then takes a knife and stabs herself. Without Romeo’s unthoughtful actions, the lives of Juliet and himself would have been spared.
Overall your response was very detailed and convincing. Especially the way you broke down your quote line by line and explained how it helped to support your opinion. Good job :)
DeleteAlec, I agree with your response, however I think there was something behind Romeo's unthoughtful actions that made them so unthoughtful. Romeo had been very rational, up until he fell in love with Juliet, as we can see in the very beginning of the play when he tries to stop Tybalt from fighting. Romeo did make irrational decisions, but i believe love was behind them. If he hadn't been so in love with Juliet, he would have thought about the consequences. Overall, I do agree with your claim because it was his decisions that caused their death.
DeleteIs Romeo really at fault for killing Tybalt? Tybalt seems adamant on destroying Romeo, hinting at getting revenge on page 57. Later on in the book, Tybalt encounters Mercutio and the two begin fighting, whilst Romeo tries to breakup the fight, but to no avail, and Mercutio end up dead on the street. But this is not the end of it, and Tybalt later approaches Benvolio and Romeo as they are mourning. Romeo won't stand to have his last friend killed, and draws his sword, willing to fight this time. Was this really cold-blooded murder, or was it an act of self-defense?
DeleteIf Romeo’s parents and Juliet’s parents let them love who they want, then they wouldn’t have killed themselves. It is the parents’ faults. Lord Capulet is definitely a big reason they killed themselves. Lord and Lady Capulet ordered to marry a man named Paris in about a week. “Hang thee, young baggage, disobedient wretch! / I’ll tell thee what: get thee to church o’ Thursday, / Or never after look me in the face” (Act 3 Scene 5 Lines 166-168) Lord Capulet said to Juliet. This quote is saying that Juliet has to marry Paris on Thursday or she shall never look her father, Lord Capulet in the face again. Juliet’s parents just want Juliet to marry a rich man, who would make her even more rich than she already is. If they had listened to Juliet and let her chose who to marry, then she and Romeo would not have run off. Juliet wouldn’t have faked her death, Romeo wouldn’t have drank the poison, and Juliet wouldn’t have killed herself with a knife. None of this would have happened if their parents had listened, forgave each other, and forgotten that they were ever enemies. All that Romeo and Juliet wanted was to be happy.
ReplyDeleteBy this point in the play, it would be hard for the Capulets and Montagues to forgive each other. Tybalt and Mercutio both lay dead, with more hatred than ever between the two households. To say that they would just forgive each other and forgotten their fight is a little unreasonable. After that much violence it is hard to forgive an enemy.
DeleteBut neither Parents were aware of the interactions between Romeo and Juliet. When they both the corpses of the two lovers, the parents feel sympathy, not anger.
DeleteIn my opinion I think the parents of Romeo and Juliet are the ones to blame. If they would have settled this argument between the Montagues and Capulets like they do in this quote, at the end of the book. act 5 scene 3 Capulet “As rich shall Romeo’s by his lady’s lie, poor sacrifices of our enmity.” Prince “A glooming peace this morning with it brings. The sun for sorrow will not show his head. Go hence to have more talk of these sad things. some shall be pardoned, and some punished. For never was a story of more woe than this of Juliet and her Romeo.” If these two families would have just settled there rivalry earlier their children would be happily married and still alive. But since they were so immature and couldn’t solve their problems they have lost their children. This is a lesson to be learned by these to families.
ReplyDeleteI agree that Romeo's parents should have gotten along better with one another, and that this immature feud between families was part of the reason for the deaths of Romeo and Juliet. After all, their parents might have welcomed news of the marriage if they got along. However, it is also notable that Friar Lawrence was the one who married the two knowing full well of their parents' feud. He also bears some of the responsibility by agreeing to marry them.
DeleteLee, your claim is very similar to mine. The fact which you included a person to be responsible for the deaths, is terrific. I do like seeing you noticed that the argument between both family's had a big role to this story and claim.
DeleteYour argument contains some very convincing points. I think the quote you selected represented your opinion very well. Very good job.
DeleteYour response was very convincing, good job! I agree that it was mostly the fault of the parents, because they put too much pressure on their kids. Romeo and Juliet didn't know how to run from love, and did the only thing they thought they could. If the Montagues and Capulets had gotten along, Romeo and Juliet wouldn't have killed themselves.
DeleteLord Capulet is to blame for the deaths of Romeo and Juliet. Capulet is forcing Juliet to marry Paris, but Juliet only loves Romeo. Juliet is being suffocated by this because she loves Romeo but also doesn't want to go against her family. Both Romeo and Juliet are disrespecting their household’s by seeing each other, and they are taking a big risk because of how much rivalry their families have against each other. After Juliet expressed how much she didn’t want to marry Paris to her father became extremely frustrated and said, “Hang thee, young baggage, disobedient wretch! I tell thee what: get thee to church O’ Thursday, Or never after look me in the face. Speak not; reply not; do not answer me” (act 3, scene 5, lines 166-169). By not listening to Juliet’s request of not loving and wanting to marry Paris, and promising Paris his daughters hand in marriage, Lord Capulet is impatient and selfish. If only he were to be kind and thoughtful enough to listen to Juliet, he most likely would have understood, but Juliet was too afraid to share her feelings about Romeo to her father because she knew how much both of her parents wanted her to marry Paris and how much they were forcing her in doing so. Since the outside forces didn't believe in the love of Romeo and Juliet, and since Capulet was so irratated about Juliet being so hesitant, the love between Romeo and Juliet came to an unfortunate conclusion of the deaths of them both.
ReplyDeleteThere isn’t a person to blame for the deaths of Romeo and Juliet. You can’t attack one specific person from the play and lay all the weight on them. Who is really to blame for the deaths in this heart-weeping drama? There is only one answer, the family feud. All the tension between the Capulets and the Montagues builds up in the story which creates a whole lot of prejudice and results on the deaths of Romeo and Juliet. Not only that, but Paris, Mercutio, and Tybalt as well. In act 1 scene 5, Lord Capulet and Tybalt discuss how he thinks Romeo is disrespectful by intruding their party, by all means being a Capulet party, their fiercest rival. Lord Capulet says, “ Why how now, Kinsman? Wherefore storm you so? ‘ Uncle, this is a Montague, our foe, a villain that is hither come in spite to scorn at our solemnity this night.’ Young Romeo is it?”(Lines 68,69,70,71,71) Tybalt, being someone who does not tolerate Montague at all, sees it as a task to rid the Montague away. And continues the tension between the family feud. In act 3 scene 1, Mercutio and Benvolio encounter Tybalt. Moments after, Romeo gets to the scene as well. As they see Tybalt, Benvolio says, “ By my head, here comes the Capulets. ‘ By my heels, I care not.’” (36,37) Tybalt initially wanted to fight Romeo, but Mercutio takes up the draw. Due to the tension, Mercutio, and Tybalt both die in this scene. The family feud is the main reason to why the deaths and the tragedies in this drama occur. Knowing that the deaths in fact end the feud, is just proof to show that the deaths of loving family, were to be the end of the beginning problem.
ReplyDeleteThis is an interesting prospective. This is saying they were doomed from the start. Because of the family feud, there was no way that the Cauplets or the Montagues would accept Romeo and Juliet's love. This would cause them to make a drastic move to try and escape and be together.
DeleteI love how your saying it's not a person who should be at blame for but non-physical thing. But I must argue that The people are really to blame because they are the ones making the decisions not someone else.
DeleteOur aggruments are similar because we both used someons to be responsible for there deaths. Great job.
ReplyDeleteMany characters could be blame for Romeo’s death, but the character who is most at fault is Benvolio. For instance, when Romeo was sad about how a girl wouldn’t love him back, and Benvolio had to say, “By giving liberty unto thine eyes. Examine other beauties” (1.1.235-236). Benvolio knows how much Romeo is in sorrow, but he is trying to make him feel better. So, when Romeo met Juliet, he became so in love that he won’t ever let her go. But, Benvolio believes that Romeo should not take the risk to be in love with a Capulet. It might create a horrible argument through the families, but that did not stop either, Romeo or Juliet. Soon after, Juliet is pronounced dead and Romeo is too crazy enough to do the same. Now, this death will just goes back to Benvolio hands and it will never get fixed. It was a mistake, that Benvolio told Romeo to do this.
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